03-23-2014, 02:31 PM
In Game 128, Harry O is breaking a very clear NAP in writing. When I joined this community, I was sure the forum said breaking NAPs was not done here. I am including the entire email chain below. The first email is just before Turn 8, NAP was agreed on Turn 9, and the RA breaking of the NAP is on Turn 10 just after the Black moved ems and armies out because of the NAP. I guess I need player feedback. Does my taking his town on Turn 3 really mean that he can pretend to enter a NAP later with no intention of actually agreeing to it? I have entered numerous NAPs after blood was spilled and those NAPs were honored on both sides. The below email exchange represents every word we ever exchanged, so no history between us. If NAPs don't count in this game, that would be good information for me to know.
On Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:31 AM, Kevin (BL) wrote:
Hello Rangers:
Heard a rumor that the RA was about to go to war with my beautiful black dragons. Any truth to that?
Hamlet
Harry O (Rangers)
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Mike Drapeau
I'm not sure where you heard about war. I didn't appreciate you taking my town in 10 though.
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:51 PM, Kevin Michaels wrote:
Stalwart Ranger:
I hope you are enjoying 128 as much as I am. Taking out the Giant capitol for the 3rd time in a row this turn. Now that is fun.
I declared you an enemy as a defensive measure since you did not really answer as to whether we were about to go to war. Then you declared me one. That all works. But now we have a decision to make.
I am done in Amberland this turn. My preference would be to make a NAP with you and go to the Troll capitol. That should benefit you. If you and I have a NAP, I can afford to go that far away. If we don't, I have to come home to defend or attack as a defensive move. I am fine either way, but I think it works better for both of us if I go fight the Troll and help the Gnome. The troll is about to take a second region.
So, my proposal is that we have a NAP through Turn 20 and I then go fight your natural enemy, starting with his capitol asap. If we do not have a NAP, I will have to come your way. This is not a threat, just the way I need to defend the southeast area.
Please let me know as soon as you can as I may be leaving Amberland as early as this turn.
Thanks,
Kevin of the Black
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Mike Drapeau wrote:
I want my town.
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:07 PM, Kevin Michaels wrote:
Lol, that sounds fair. Take your town at WR back any time you want. In fact, if you tell me what turn you can take it, I can have my emissary turn it neutral.
But this only works if we have a NAP through Turn 20. Please let me know.
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Mike Drapeau wrote:
Sure NAP to turn 20. I'll move an emmy in this comming turn.
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:09 PM, Kevin Michaels wrote:
In your last communication, you agreed to a NAP to turn 20. But then you moved into a town of mine at VX and showed up with an army at your old town (which I did turn neutral for you as agreed). I need to hear from you, as we have a NAP to turn 20, but you are showing up at too many pop centers. I will take defensive action if I don't hear over the weekend. Breaking NAPs is never a good practice.
On Mar 22, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Mike Drapeau wrote:
Thieves should understand the time for NAP was turn 3.
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:25 PM, Kevin wrote:
So you are breaking the nap you signed?
From: Mike Drapeau
Date: March 22, 2014 at 7:33:06 PM
Does the concept of property rights mean nothing to you? When someone steals from you nothing agreed to after matters. It's clear your a product of the moral relativism pushed lately. The concept of property rights mean nothing to you and you fell entitled to bargain for that exact property after it was stolen. Stop wasting my time with you nonsense. Go back to school forget the morality the the deparment of education foisted on you and relearn morality.
On Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:31 AM, Kevin (BL) wrote:
Hello Rangers:
Heard a rumor that the RA was about to go to war with my beautiful black dragons. Any truth to that?
Hamlet
Harry O (Rangers)
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Mike Drapeau
I'm not sure where you heard about war. I didn't appreciate you taking my town in 10 though.
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:51 PM, Kevin Michaels wrote:
Stalwart Ranger:
I hope you are enjoying 128 as much as I am. Taking out the Giant capitol for the 3rd time in a row this turn. Now that is fun.
I declared you an enemy as a defensive measure since you did not really answer as to whether we were about to go to war. Then you declared me one. That all works. But now we have a decision to make.
I am done in Amberland this turn. My preference would be to make a NAP with you and go to the Troll capitol. That should benefit you. If you and I have a NAP, I can afford to go that far away. If we don't, I have to come home to defend or attack as a defensive move. I am fine either way, but I think it works better for both of us if I go fight the Troll and help the Gnome. The troll is about to take a second region.
So, my proposal is that we have a NAP through Turn 20 and I then go fight your natural enemy, starting with his capitol asap. If we do not have a NAP, I will have to come your way. This is not a threat, just the way I need to defend the southeast area.
Please let me know as soon as you can as I may be leaving Amberland as early as this turn.
Thanks,
Kevin of the Black
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Mike Drapeau wrote:
I want my town.
On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:07 PM, Kevin Michaels wrote:
Lol, that sounds fair. Take your town at WR back any time you want. In fact, if you tell me what turn you can take it, I can have my emissary turn it neutral.
But this only works if we have a NAP through Turn 20. Please let me know.
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Mike Drapeau wrote:
Sure NAP to turn 20. I'll move an emmy in this comming turn.
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:09 PM, Kevin Michaels wrote:
In your last communication, you agreed to a NAP to turn 20. But then you moved into a town of mine at VX and showed up with an army at your old town (which I did turn neutral for you as agreed). I need to hear from you, as we have a NAP to turn 20, but you are showing up at too many pop centers. I will take defensive action if I don't hear over the weekend. Breaking NAPs is never a good practice.
On Mar 22, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Mike Drapeau wrote:
Thieves should understand the time for NAP was turn 3.
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:25 PM, Kevin wrote:
So you are breaking the nap you signed?
From: Mike Drapeau
Date: March 22, 2014 at 7:33:06 PM
Does the concept of property rights mean nothing to you? When someone steals from you nothing agreed to after matters. It's clear your a product of the moral relativism pushed lately. The concept of property rights mean nothing to you and you fell entitled to bargain for that exact property after it was stolen. Stop wasting my time with you nonsense. Go back to school forget the morality the the deparment of education foisted on you and relearn morality.