Anyone have a guide as to how effective this is vs a human controlled city in a friendly region? What kind of troops/leaders do you need? Thanks
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I don't know the formula but it does help to have as high ranking leader and the higher the level caster the better. The is such a large amount of varience between regional reaction, group size, leaders, and the level of the caster that I would recommend charting your successes and failures to get a baseline.
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Biggest determinants are the strength of the group versus pop center number, strength of city defenses, regional reaction and wizard level if you're aiming for a 171.
sorry, saw that you were indeed asking about diplomacy spell. basically, it comes down to the strength of your wizard. For example a p-3 and a group with 9K versus pop center will almost always succeed with the 171. A p-2 would definitely fail with the same group.
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(09-04-2013, 04:09 PM)wfrankenhoff Wrote: Biggest determinants are the strength of the group versus pop center number, strength of city defenses, regional reaction and wizard level if you're aiming for a 171.
sorry, saw that you were indeed asking about diplomacy spell. basically, it comes down to the strength of your wizard. For example a p-3 and a group with 9K versus pop center will almost always succeed with the 171. A p-2 would definitely fail with the same group.
Do you think a power 2 might need a 15K group and a power 1 would need a 30K group? I know I have had success at slightly above those figures.
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(09-04-2013, 06:36 PM)Hawk_ Wrote: (09-04-2013, 04:09 PM)wfrankenhoff Wrote: Biggest determinants are the strength of the group versus pop center number, strength of city defenses, regional reaction and wizard level if you're aiming for a 171.
sorry, saw that you were indeed asking about diplomacy spell. basically, it comes down to the strength of your wizard. For example a p-3 and a group with 9K versus pop center will almost always succeed with the 171. A p-2 would definitely fail with the same group.
Do you think a power 2 might need a 15K group and a power 1 would need a 30K group? I know I have had success at slightly above those figures.
Depends on the city defenses. I'm sure a p2 and 15K couldn't take DU or XF, for example...or even QW. To be on the safe side, I'd say 25K and a p2 for those
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(09-04-2013, 07:48 PM)wfrankenhoff Wrote: (09-04-2013, 06:36 PM)Hawk_ Wrote: (09-04-2013, 04:09 PM)wfrankenhoff Wrote: Biggest determinants are the strength of the group versus pop center number, strength of city defenses, regional reaction and wizard level if you're aiming for a 171.
sorry, saw that you were indeed asking about diplomacy spell. basically, it comes down to the strength of your wizard. For example a p-3 and a group with 9K versus pop center will almost always succeed with the 171. A p-2 would definitely fail with the same group.
Do you think a power 2 might need a 15K group and a power 1 would need a 30K group? I know I have had success at slightly above those figures.
Depends on the city defenses. I'm sure a p2 and 15K couldn't take DU or XF, for example...or even QW. To be on the safe side, I'd say 25K and a p2 for those
The actual data point I have is a group value of 39,993 taking a city with 22464 with a power 1.
However, I have a had multiple players tell me it can be done with a power 3 and a value closer to 6000. I was guessing the P2 must be somewhere in between.
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I've had a group of 6k with a p3 take a city with 25k defense.
I've also had a p4 with a group of 5k take a city with about the same defense from the regional controller at the time, and DuPont was good enough to raise its gold production for me after I took it. That guy just gives and gives. <3
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(09-04-2013, 08:08 PM)Hawk_ Wrote: (09-04-2013, 07:48 PM)wfrankenhoff Wrote: (09-04-2013, 06:36 PM)Hawk_ Wrote: (09-04-2013, 04:09 PM)wfrankenhoff Wrote: Biggest determinants are the strength of the group versus pop center number, strength of city defenses, regional reaction and wizard level if you're aiming for a 171.
sorry, saw that you were indeed asking about diplomacy spell. basically, it comes down to the strength of your wizard. For example a p-3 and a group with 9K versus pop center will almost always succeed with the 171. A p-2 would definitely fail with the same group.
Do you think a power 2 might need a 15K group and a power 1 would need a 30K group? I know I have had success at slightly above those figures.
Depends on the city defenses. I'm sure a p2 and 15K couldn't take DU or XF, for example...or even QW. To be on the safe side, I'd say 25K and a p2 for those
The actual data point I have is a group value of 39,993 taking a city with 22464 with a power 1.
However, I have a had multiple players tell me it can be done with a power 3 and a value closer to 6000. I was guessing the P2 must be somewhere in between.
The p2 is definitely the trickiest to quantify. I do know that I've failed in the past with 15K groups at both QW and XV with a p2.
I've also succeeded with 25K GI groups and a p1 at GI. p3s and any value about 5K are likely to succeed at any friendly city (baring a maintain).
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In large part, this is why I think the Giant kingdom should not get 171 at level 1.
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(09-05-2013, 06:09 AM)DuPont Wrote: In large part, this is why I think the Giant kingdom should not get 171 at level 1.
You've just got a phobia about the GI 
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