Game 5712 full diplomacy game thread

[Maximus Dominus]

Very well, Maximus. I have moved both of my emissaries out of your town.

Windstar the 3rd,

This most recent development bodes well for peaceful relations between our realms, Lizard King.

Ours is a barbaric lifestyle, and our ways are as harsh as the biting winds of the bitter cold North.

Accordingly, our voice booms like the thunder rolling across the sly, at times. But we mean your species no harm, provided your kind do not seek to assail our people and our lands.

Hold to your word, and our swords shall be stayed against thee and thine.

Clan Warchieftain of Cimmeria

[Acererak]

We Free Traders only wish to sell our wares and make profit. The Lycans decided to attack our peaceful group at Stormgate that was merely selling fish. This scourge on the lands must be wiped out.

FT-GI: I hope you enjoy the town we taxed for you. We only wish peace with you as our western neighbor.

[Maximus Dominus]

Windstar the 3rd,

You have lived up to your word, Lizard King, and now I will reciprocate by withdrawing my forces from your lands.

On their way in as a show of force and as a demonstration of Cimmerian resolve, my forces came upon an unusual sighting in area EF. I inform you of its location, as a demonstration of Cimmerian goodwill.

Had you not stayed true to your word, my kingdom had no intention of being unable to inflict immediate retaliation. The two Lizard villages that Cimmerian forces are encamped outside the gates of will be granted a reprieve. None of your lizards shall be put to the blade, and no Cimmerian emissaries will be dispatched in support of my reconnaissance-in-force.

Cimmerian forces will begin withdrawing immediately. Cooler heads have prevailed.

Clan Warchieftain of Cimmeria

[Maximus Dominus]

Cimmerians - Turn #8

Game 5712

Full Diplomacy Game

Nothing quite like other players to spark an increase of interest.

With the Lizard kingdom inserting itself into an area where a Cimmerian town was, and doing it on the very turn that I move out my military group that was stationed there to help secure that location against any "wandering" emissaries, all of Cimmeria went on alert. Military forces were given new orders, and were dispatched with great haste to fly the flag and to assert Cimmerian foreign policy, even at swordpoint, if necessary.

Tense moments ensue, and the Cuban missile crisis began playing itself out, anew, in my mind's storage box. There would be no waffling, no soft-peddling, no pretense of smiles at what had transpired. Raw reptilian aggression would be met with the full might of the Cimmerian kingdom, if necessary. We might not prevail, when all was said and done, but the Cimmerian military certainly possessed a capability, already, to inflict damage upon any Lizard aggressors.

When you get right down to it, even a threat of full scale nuclear war is, in essence, an act of diplomacy. But here, the Lizard kingdom now held all of the high cards, and a Cimmerian town was held hostage to the whims of cold-blooded lizards. What would Cimmeria do?

Firm, resolute diplomacy. It would either fail or it would succeed. There was no gray area, from the Cimmerians' perspective. And perhaps the worst of all? The Lizards were just doing what they had historically done, and what those around them. Common practice had just ran headlong into casus belli. Middle ground and compromise was not an option. But who could predict which path that the lizards and the Cimmerians would ultimately go down.

Cooler heads prevailed in the Lizard kingdom, but could these lizards be trusted? And if time bore out that they could not, then the lizards would be up town up on the Cimmerians, and possibly bringing up additional forces as back-up to secure their claim upon the town of Hawk Landing.

Not desiring to be counted as one soft on unprovoked lizard aggression, the decision was made in Cimmerian high circles that war was preferable to acquiescence. Accordingly, even though the lizards had seemingly decided to vacate the vicinity of Hawk Landing, Cimmerian military forces would cross the border into lizard territory, to underscore the seriousness of what the lizards had done. Common practice, as it was called, had suddenly brought two kingdoms to the very brink of war.

And now, as no less than four Cimmerian military groups encamped in lizard lands, fully prepared to march even deeper into lizard territory, if necessary, nerves were on edge. How would cold-blooded reptiles respond to this Cimmerian response to the lizards' initial act of aggression. The lizards had lived up to their word, and had withdrawn from Hawk Landing. But now, what would the Cimmerians do?

[Windstar]

Maximus, I do not understand you. Four hours ago, everything was good and a crisis was adverted. Then 3 hours ago, you changed your mind and decided to go all out in warfare. I told you, as many other players over the years of playing Alamaze, that it is common practice to take other kingdoms' PCs in their territory. Done and done. When I tried to do the same with your kingdom, I get an ultimatum and a bellows-infused response to the negative. 

I then acquiesed and left the town in question and all should be fine, with my two emmies and my patrol--note: patrol and not a division or more of brigades. I accepted his terms, and that should have been that.

Maximus, I like what you are doing for the game, with your interesting posts and all that, but in the end you are just a bully. Nuff said.

[Maximus Dominus]

Maximus, I do not understand you. Four hours ago, everything was good and a crisis was adverted. Then 3 hours ago, you changed your mind and decided to go all out in warfare. I told you, as many other players over the years of playing Alamaze, that it is common practice to take other kingdoms' PCs in their territory. Done and done. When I tried to do the same with your kingdom, I get an ultimatum and a bellows-infused response to the negative. 

I then acquiesed and left the town in question and all should be fine, with my two emmies and my patrol--note: patrol and not a division or more of brigades. I accepted his terms, and that should have been that.

Maximus, I like what you are doing for the game, with your interesting posts and all that, but in the end you are just a bully. Nuff said.

Perhaps if you distinguished between the character that I am attempting to roleplay in this particular game of Alamaze, the Clan Warchieftain of Cimmeria, from my attempts to post on a wide variety of topics that pertain to Alamaze in general, then you might not be so confused and your understanding might increase. Even my postings within this specific game thread can be divided into two different categories - my attempt at roleplay, and my thoughts and feelings about this game taken on a turn-by-turn basis as a player who is playing Learning Games of Alamaze, this being one of them.

As to your belief that I am a bully, what - specifically and exactly - are you referring to. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I certainly am willing to take issue with postings by others, but I'm not a mind reader.

As a player in any game of Alamaze, I don't know who I can trust in any particular game of Alamaze, nor do I know who I can trust across multiple different games. Generally speaking, I don't trust other players in wargames. And when players intentionally, willfully, knowingly, and deliberately send emissaries and a military group to a population center that belongs to me at game start, I do consciously weigh where I should trust that player and that kingdom. I'm not aware of any rule prohibiting players from lying to one another or misleading one another or even betraying one another. Those things do sometimes happen in Alamaze, and were happening in Alamaze before I began my most recent attempt to try and learn how to play the game.

When I asked myself how I thought that an actual Cimmerian warrior might interpret lizards suddenly showing up at a Cimmerian town with both a patrol (useful for spying) and emissaries (to which you acknowledged that there were two - both of them, you said), my impression of the Cimmerians (correctly or incorrectly) is that they would not simply take the lizards at their word. What if the lizards, cold-blooded reptiles, decided to use words as a tool of deception?

Thus, I decided to make the decisions that I did. I really don't think hill or mountain people (I associate Cimmerians with Cimmeria of the Hyborian Age) like the Cimmerians that I envision them to be, would just summarily dismiss out of hand what you chose to have your lizards do. I can't see the future. I don't trust any player. I understand your lament, and you may or may not have any use for attempts at roleplaying, and I'm really out of my league with that sort of stuff, but as with my postings on wide variety of different topics in the Alamaze forum over the last two-to-three months, I have tried to make a concerted, ongoing effort to populate the Alamaze forum with at least my fair share of postings. I can certainly adjust things on my end, and post less frequently, here.

I'm not here to "bully" anyone, but neither am I inclined to water down my criticisms of things about Alamaze that I dislike or flawed, nor to allow others to post their views and their opinions on various subjects without weighing in on them, and especially if I view them to be untrue, preposterous, deficient, lacking in supporting logic, or just plain flawed in their lines of reasoning.

If I'm bullying people here, then who am I bullying, specifically and by name? Everyone? Most forum users here? A handful of users? just one person? I don't know specifically what you are referring to, and you didn't bother to actually elaborate, so I am left wondering.

Regardless, you have a good night, Windstar. I will bring my attempts at roleplaying in this game thread to an end. I will also conclude my turn-by-turn postings from my perspective as a player of the Cimmerians kingdom, also.

[Acererak]

FT-RA: Please leave my region and do not attempt to take the artifact.

[Windstar]

Maximus, I do not understand you. Four hours ago, everything was good and a crisis was adverted. Then 3 hours ago, you changed your mind and decided to go all out in warfare. I told you, as many other players over the years of playing Alamaze, that it is common practice to take other kingdoms' PCs in their territory. Done and done. When I tried to do the same with your kingdom, I get an ultimatum and a bellows-infused response to the negative. 

I then acquiesed and left the town in question and all should be fine, with my two emmies and my patrol--note: patrol and not a division or more of brigades. I accepted his terms, and that should have been that.

Maximus, I like what you are doing for the game, with your interesting posts and all that, but in the end you are just a bully. Nuff said.

Perhaps if you distinguished between the character that I am attempting to roleplay in this particular game of Alamaze, the Clan Warchieftain of Cimmeria, from my attempts to post on a wide variety of topics that pertain to Alamaze in general, then you might not be so confused and your understanding might increase. Even my postings within this specific game thread can be divided into two different categories - my attempt at roleplay, and my thoughts and feelings about this game taken on a turn-by-turn basis as a player who is playing Learning Games of Alamaze, this being one of them.

As to your belief that I am a bully, what - specifically and exactly - are you referring to. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I certainly am willing to take issue with postings by others, but I'm not a mind reader.

As a player in any game of Alamaze, I don't know who I can trust in any particular game of Alamaze, nor do I know who I can trust across multiple different games. Generally speaking, I don't trust other players in wargames. And when players intentionally, willfully, knowingly, and deliberately send emissaries and a military group to a population center that belongs to me at game start, I do consciously weigh where I should trust that player and that kingdom. I'm not aware of any rule prohibiting players from lying to one another or misleading one another or even betraying one another. Those things do sometimes happen in Alamaze, and were happening in Alamaze before I began my most recent attempt to try and learn how to play the game.

When I asked myself how I thought that an actual Cimmerian warrior might interpret lizards suddenly showing up at a Cimmerian town with both a patrol (useful for spying) and emissaries (to which you acknowledged that there were two - both of them, you said), my impression of the Cimmerians (correctly or incorrectly) is that they would not simply take the lizards at their word. What if the lizards, cold-blooded reptiles, decided to use words as a tool of deception?

Thus, I decided to make the decisions that I did. I really don't think hill or mountain people (I associate Cimmerians with Cimmeria of the Hyborian Age) like the Cimmerians that I envision them to be, would just summarily dismiss out of hand what you chose to have your lizards do. I can't see the future. I don't trust any player. I understand your lament, and you may or may not have any use for attempts at roleplaying, and I'm really out of my league with that sort of stuff, but as with my postings on wide variety of different topics in the Alamaze forum over the last two-to-three months, I have tried to make a concerted, ongoing effort to populate the Alamaze forum with at least my fair share of postings. I can certainly adjust things on my end, and post less frequently, here.

I'm not here to "bully" anyone, but neither am I inclined to water down my criticisms of things about Alamaze that I dislike or flawed, nor to allow others to post their views and their opinions on various subjects without weighing in on them, and especially if I view them to be untrue, preposterous, deficient, lacking in supporting logic, or just plain flawed in their lines of reasoning.

If I'm bullying people here, then who am I bullying, specifically and by name? Everyone? Most forum users here? A handful of users? just one person? I don't know specifically what you are referring to, and you didn't bother to actually elaborate, so I am left wondering.

Regardless, you have a good night, Windstar. I will bring my attempts at roleplaying in this game thread to an end. I will also conclude my turn-by-turn postings from my perspective as a player of the Cimmerians kingdom, also.

Maximus, Please tell me one thing if you can: why did you initially say one thing (that all is good) with another (one that is bad)? If you would have just did the last one (the declaration of war), then I would not have thought it so bad. However, you did both, and this is my concern. If you are role playing, wouldn't a proud people such are the Cimmerians, not go back on their word? Just a thought.

[Windstar]

LI-->GI and all others in Alamaze

Please lend me your ear! The bully Cimmerian king is attacking me without justification. He is without honor, and cannot make up his mind even before he puts it on paper!

Anything that you can do to help me fight this scourge would be most welcome and appreciated. A bully deserves no honor, and the CI are without honor.

He strives for justification in this altercation, but has no thoughtful ammunition. He only desires one thing: to be the conqueror of Alamaze. His ambition is limitless. He cares not for his good name (which is drenched in mud by the way).

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Maximus, If you have a conscience, we can bury the hatchet and end this war before it starts. Think on all that I have said.

[Wookie Panz]

LI-->GI and all others in Alamaze

Please lend me your ear! The bully Cimmerian king is attacking me without justification. He is without honor, and cannot make up his mind even before he puts it on paper!

Anything that you can do to help me fight this scourge would be most welcome and appreciated. A bully deserves no honor, and the CI are without honor.

He strives for justification in this altercation, but has no thoughtful ammunition. He only desires one thing: to be the conqueror of Alamaze. His ambition is limitless. He cares not for his good name (which is drenched in mud by the way).

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Maximus, If you have a conscience, we can bury the hatchet and end this war before it starts. Think on all that I have said.

Windstar it's very easy to defeat Max.  Just send him a sentence and he will reply with a novella.  He will be too busy writing to plan a decent attack against you!