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Legendary city bounce question.
#1
Would the group below bounce off a 220k defence major city?

1st LYCANS        "Werewolves"      Decorations: footprintsshieldswordstandard

    Location:  Lizandia (def 208,966) is here in the marsh of The Diamond Coast.

    Morale: 120%  Attrition: 7.8%  Terrain Modifier: +10%  Defense: Very Good
    Estimated total value in terrain: 283,898                Estimated value vs. PC: 214,050

    By phase (excluding tactics, magic, and artifacts):
    LR Missile: 16,290  SR Missile: 35,749  Charge: 34,087  Melee: 197,771  Storm: 82,446

    Force composition (Army Group):

                  Leadership                            Spell Casters
                  Warlord Matep Refu                    Power-6 Brythan Gia
                  Lord Commander Tyrak Cyria            Power-6 Fleya Kadyn
                  Grand Marshal Waul Karyk              Power-3 Silika Ranulf

      Equipment: Improved Armor, Improved Weaponry

      Artifacts: Green Dragon Mates, Morgal Blade, Renowned Standard, Standard of Valor

    Order of Battle:

    Brigade Type        Experience    Number    Morale    Attrition    Defense

    Lycans              Elite            6        141%        9.8%      Renowned
    Lycans              Veteran          4        150%        9.9%      Very Good
    Lycans              Regular          9        117%        9.6%      Very Good
    Trolls              Elite            2        135%          0%      Awesome
    Trolls              Veteran          1        135%          0%      Renowned
    Trolls              Regular          2        119%          0%      Excellent
    Minotaurs            Regular          3        107%          0%      Good
    Orcs                Elite            7        128%        13.9%      Very Good
    Orcs                Veteran          4        136%        14.6%      Good
    Orcs                Regular          4        118%        17.8%      Above Average
    Rock Golems          Regular          4        96%        9.5%      Excellent
    Skeletons            Regular        12        100%          0%      Above Average
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#2
here is how I see the math.
Bonuses not in estimated value.
1mroved weaponry 25%
5 trolls 50%
15 orcs 35% morale
3 minotaurs 15% morale
morgul blade 15%
renowned standard 10% morale

now there is a 160% morale cap so your total morale bonus is 40%
giving you a +115% combat modifier. This brings your group strength to 460207 or so as a rough number
now for the negatives to his defense.
ruthless -10%
fear spell from level 6. -25% if cast
windstorm from level 3 -20% (this is an unconfirmed number but many swear by it)
so 198000 adjusted defense with just ruthless or a iffy battle if its a capital
or 143000 defense with a fear spell thrown in

with the fear spell cast you should take the pc.
all of this math is theoretical since early losses can lower your numbers and many of us still get surprising results.
Hopefully this is helpful.
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#3
(06-14-2026, 08:58 PM)Xerro Wrote: here is how I see the math.
Bonuses not in estimated value.
1mroved weaponry 25%
5 trolls 50%
15 orcs 35% morale
3 minotaurs 15% morale
morgul blade 15%
renowned standard 10% morale

now there is a 160% morale cap so your total morale bonus is 40%
giving you a +115% combat modifier. This brings your group strength to 460207 or so as a rough number
now for the negatives to his defense.
ruthless -10%
fear spell from level 6. -25%  if cast
windstorm from level 3 -20% (this is an unconfirmed number but many swear by it)
so 198000 adjusted defense with just ruthless or a iffy battle if its a capital
or 143000 defense with a fear spell thrown in

with the fear spell cast you should take the pc.
all of this math is theoretical since early losses can lower your numbers and many of us still get surprising results.
Hopefully this is helpful.

Ok this should be fun or really bad! lol  Ill post results after the battle.  i just have to make sure and remove anything that might get me in anon trouble.
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#4
Assuming it is not a capital, you take it pretty easily with no spells cast. Likely around 20% losses.

If you cast fear + windstorm + shield (or something similar, fear is the main one), you take this with likely around 6 to 8% losses.
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#5
(06-14-2026, 09:00 PM)Alzreborn Wrote:
(06-14-2026, 08:58 PM)Xerro Wrote: here is how I see the math.
Bonuses not in estimated value.
1mroved weaponry 25%
5 trolls 50%
15 orcs 35% morale
3 minotaurs 15% morale
morgul blade 15%
renowned standard 10% morale

now there is a 160% morale cap so your total morale bonus is 40%
giving you a +115% combat modifier. This brings your group strength to 460207 or so as a rough number
now for the negatives to his defense.
ruthless -10%
fear spell from level 6. -25%  if cast
windstorm from level 3 -20% (this is an unconfirmed number but many swear by it)
so 198000 adjusted defense with just ruthless or a iffy battle if its a capital
or 143000 defense with a fear spell thrown in

with the fear spell cast you should take the pc.
all of this math is theoretical since early losses can lower your numbers and many of us still get surprising results.
Hopefully this is helpful.

Ok this should be fun or really bad! lol  Ill post results after the battle.  i just have to make sure and remove anything that might get me in anon trouble.
Attack by the 1st Lycans army group on the Lycans                              Minor City of Lizandia (Area EV)

                                        Commanders
                    Warlord Matep Refu              Captain Deathstalker
                    Lord Commander Tyrak Cyria     
                    Grand Marshal Waul Karyk       

                                        Wizards
                        Power-6 Brythan Gia            None
                        Power-6 Fleya Kadyn         
                        Power-3 Silika Ranulf       

                                        Brigades
                    6 Lycans Elite                13,589 Militia
                    4 Lycans Veteran             
                    9 Lycans Regular             
                    2 Trolls Elite               
                    1 Trolls Veteran             
                    2 Trolls Regular             
                    3 Minotaurs Regular         
                    7 Orcs Elite                 
                    4 Orcs Veteran               
                    4 Orcs Regular               
                    4 Rock Golems Regular       
                    12 Skeletons Regular         

                                      Combat Factors
                          Forged Armor              Legendary Castle
                      Forged Weaponry              Confident Morale
                      Renowned Leaders             

                                    Tactical Selection
                    Determined Attack              Defend Your Homes
     
     
        It was already known that Lizandia had become the wonder of Alamaze. It intimidated
    merely by its presence. Surely this host of every conceivable invention of defense would
    prove impregnable against any attacker. Late in the afternoon, Warlord Matep Refu
    commanded his 1st Lycans army group to execute the attack on the minor city. Due to
    Lizandia having a legendary castle, its militia were both better protected and had
    received proper training improving their skill. The 1st Lycans morale was boosted due to
    the valor of the Minotaur brigades. The 1st Lycans morale was boosted due to the plentiful
    number of Orc brigades within their ranks. The 1st Lycans morale was boosted due to the
    favorable attack vs pc for Troll brigades. Due to the ruthless nature of the Lycans, the
    minor city's defenders were shaken by fear against a possible attack. The Lycans fielded
    its pride: its 1st group. As the attackers crossed the swampy turf, the battle began.

                                  - Long Range Missilers -

    As the attackers approached, defending missilers were ineffective against the superior
    invaders. The Lycans forces imposed minor damage upon the minor city's protectors. The
    erratic whipping winds from a magical storm reduced missile damage on both sides.

                                        - Magic -

    Lycans conjurers dismounted just beyond the range of defending bowmen and began an
    animated spell. Brythan Gia's presence was evident. Arcs of searing fire shot forth from
    the wizard. Power-6 wizard Brythan Gia began sorcerous incantations in an unknown tongue.
    A dark mist seemed to fall briefly over enemy lines, and then they grew clearly more
    fearful of the battle. Fleya Kadyn also let his presence be known in similar fashion.
    Power-6 wizard Fleya Kadyn glowered intently and issued indecipherable utterances. Looked
    upon the heavens and gestured violently. Suddenly winds of gale force drove across the
    battlefield, reducing the accuracy of enemy missiles by about half, but also reducing the
    accuracy of our own missile troops. Silika Ranulf also let his presence be seen in like
    manner. Power-3 wizard Silika Ranulf threw back his hood and gestured in an animated
    fashion. A faintly visible blue shimmering began to surround the troops and noticeably
    lessened the effectiveness of the arrows of the defenders. The Lycans conjurers caused
    minor damage upon the defenders.

                                      - Artifact -

    The presence of the Green Dragon mates, Tornad and Sylva, invigorated the Lycans forces as
    they slew enemy forces with their acid dragon breath. By raising Morgal Blade, Lycans
    Warlord Matep Refu infused his troops with boldness and caused alarm in the minds of the
    garrison leaders as the magical dagger slew enemy forces. Waving in the wind, the Renowned
    Standard bolstered the Lycans troops with hope during the battle. Waving in the wind, the
    Standard of Valor bolstered the Lycans troops with hope during the battle.

                                  - Short Range Missilers -

    In the initial minutes of battle, defending missilers were ineffective against the
    superior invaders. The Lycans forces imposed light losses upon the minor city's wall
    defenders. The erratic whipping winds from a magical storm reduced missile damage on both
    sides.

                                        - Storm -

    It readily became apparent that the defending troops realizing that all they had known and
    loved would be destroyed if they were defeated, were fighting like maddened beasts. After
    a few hours of ferocious combat, the attackers were able to clear defenders from the outer
    walls and began to press on to the main defense. The Lycans first assault group pressed
    the attack with thus far only light casualties.

                                      - Conclusion -

    Within a few hours, the minor city defenses were obliterated and an unconditional
    surrender was offered. The Lycans banner now waves nobly in Lizandia! Lycans casualties
    were put at 8.49%. All Lycans leaders survived the battle. Waul Karyk demonstrated
    tactical awareness and has been elevated as a Lord Commander. All the Lycans wizards
    survived the fray. Due to experience, victory and valor, a Veteran Lycans brigade has been
    recognized as Elite! Awarded promotion was an Lycans brigade. They are now a Veteran
    brigade. An Lycans brigade of Regular experience battled valorously and have been promoted
    to Veteran status. An Lycans unit earned promotion to Veteran status. An Lycans unit
    earned promotion to Veteran status. Awarded distinction was an Lycans brigade. They are
    now a Veteran unit. An Lycans unit earned promotion to Veteran status. An Lycans brigade
    of Regular experience battled valorously and have been elevated to Veteran level. An
    Lycans brigade of Regular experience battled valorously and have been promoted to Veteran
    level. Earning promotion was an Trolls brigade. They are now a Veteran brigade. An Trolls
    brigade of Regular experience battled bravely and have been elevated to Veteran
    experience. An Minotaurs unit earned promotion to Veteran status. Awarded distinction was
    an Minotaurs brigade. They are now a Veteran brigade. An Minotaurs brigade of Regular
    experience battled valorously and have been promoted to Veteran status. Due to experience,
    victory and valor, a Veteran Orcs brigade has been recognized as Elite! Due to experience,
    victory and valor, a Veteran Orcs brigade has been recognized as Elite! Due to experience,
    victory and valor, a Veteran Orcs brigade has been recognized as Elite! Due to experience,
    victory and valor, a Veteran Orcs brigade has been recognized as Elite! An Rock Golems
    unit earned promotion to Veteran status. An Rock Golems brigade of Regular experience
    fought bravely and have been promoted to Veteran status. Earning promotion was an Rock
    Golems brigade. They are now a Veteran unit. Awarded distinction was an Rock Golems
    brigade. They are now a Veteran unit. An Skeletons unit earned promotion to Veteran
    status. Awarded distinction was an Skeletons brigade. They are now a Veteran unit. Awarded
    distinction was an Skeletons brigade. They are now a Veteran brigade. Awarded distinction
    was an Skeletons brigade. They are now a Veteran brigade. Earning distinction was an
    Skeletons brigade. They are now a Veteran unit. Awarded distinction was an Skeletons
    brigade. They are now a Veteran brigade. The troops are anxious for further glory: morale
    is up!

So yea 8 percent lol i was afraid I would bounce.
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#6
Did I call it or what? Smile
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#7
(06-15-2026, 02:23 AM)davekuyk Wrote: Did I call it or what? Smile

lol this is why you win and I finish but at the bottom!
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