Diplomacy: Survey

[Acererak]

What is everyone's experience? Can a Division with a general succesfully use a 170 diplomacy with a neutral town in a friendly region?

I feel that it is 70% or so successful, that's the ballpark in my head.

Thanks

[Mauler]

What is everyone's experience? Can a Division with a general succesfully use a 170 diplomacy with a neutral town in a friendly region?

I feel that it is 70% or so successful, that's the ballpark in my head.

Thanks

It's more a question of the value vs pop of the group vs the defense of the town (as opposed to the size). I have little data but my feeling is if the value is equal to the defenses of a neutral town in a friendly region, you should get it on a parlay.

[Hawk_]

What is everyone's experience? Can a Division with a general succesfully use a 170 diplomacy with a neutral town in a friendly region?

I feel that it is 70% or so successful, that's the ballpark in my head.

Thanks

It's more a question of the value vs pop of the group vs the defense of the town (as opposed to the size). I have little data but my feeling is if the value is equal to the defenses of a neutral town in a friendly region, you should get it on a parlay.

I have a data point of a failure by a friendly dwarf division that was at 122% of the neutral PC value. I have seen success as low as 130%.

According to a previous comment by Cipher there is not a dice roll involved but it is more of an absolute yes/no equation.

I would be interested in your results.

Best of Luck

[Acererak]

Good to know about the 122% fail and 130% success. Hard data better than a feeling. I'm pretty sure the leaders and wizards would also make a difference.

[Hawk_]

Good to know about the 122% fail and 130% success. Hard data better than a feeling. I'm pretty sure the leaders and wizards would also make a difference.

I have seen no indication of the leaders being a factor other than effect the leaders have on troop value. I would be interested to know if anyone has data that falls outside of the 122-130 numbers.

[kevindusi]

From what I understand, leaders are already factored in as they impact the group combat value vs. pop center.

[Brogan]

Any input on how the numbers change when 171 spells are taken into affect?

[Hawk_]

Any input on how the numbers change when 171 spells are taken into affect?

I have a table I am working on but the format doesn't paste well to the forum. I will email you a copy.

[davekuyk]

Seems to me if Rick, Cipher and others are actively playing in games they should make the diplomacy math public knowledge. A diplomacy on a key pop center can be a huge turning point and having knowledge of what will and won't succeed would be nice to have.

[Hawk_]

Seems to me if Rick, Cipher and others are actively playing in games they should make the diplomacy math public knowledge. A diplomacy on a key pop center can be a huge turning point and having knowledge of what will and won't succeed would be nice to have.

Here my table/ Guess

Wizard---- Friendly------Tolerant------SUSP
1-----------1.5----------- 5.3---------- 8.3
2 -----------.75-----------4.3--------- 7.3
3 ----------- .29 ----------3.3 -----------6.3
4 ------------.15---------- 2.3---------- 5.3
5-------------low----------- 1.3-----------4.3
6 -------------low-----------..75------------3.3
7------------lower---------.3------------2.3
8------------lower----------.15------------1.3
9------------lowest---------low-----------.3


There is a lot of guessing in this and I need more data for a better table.
The number is the ratio of group vs. PC defense to 171 a controlled PC.

Data that falls outside of these ranges would be appreciated.