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**Drogo** · 12-31-2014, 11:25 PM

Are there Orders or Spells you NEVER use?

**DuPont** · 01-01-2015, 03:07 AM

I never use the Heal spell. It just doesn't seem worth it.

**Hawk_** · 01-01-2015, 03:16 AM

(01-01-2015, 03:07 AM)DuPont Wrote: I never use the Heal spell. It just doesn't seem worth it.

ditto HEAL spell , HEAL order, plague

**Jumpingfist** · 01-01-2015, 03:50 AM

Learn artifact power

**Drogo** · 01-01-2015, 03:19 PM

How about spell 370: Reveal King's Influence

Can't picture that being worth it.

**kevindusi** · 01-01-2015, 04:51 PM

I recently used the heal spell in a game. I won't say I was underwhelmed, but...

Interesting fact, the order checker doesn't recognize it as a valid spell.

**Cloud** · 01-07-2015, 09:47 PM

(01-01-2015, 03:19 PM)Drogo Wrote: How about spell 370: Reveal King's Influence

Can't picture that being worth it.

Agreed. Especially with order #365 and your Envoy just sitting there doing nothing. It would have to be a very specific set of events for me to see using a P4 to do the job of an Envoy. Even with Rivalry based SVC conditions, you can pretty easily figure out if you have a higher Inf than your Natural Enemy just by checking your back turns.

**Ry Vor** · 01-07-2015, 09:57 PM

For the record, I don't really disagree with any comments so far, and you can keep them coming without hurting feelings. I have said before I'd like to address orders and spells, associated power levels, fairly comprehensively with 3rd Cycle.

So a related question, I'd like to ditch the in-game messaging (341-349) then. Does anyone find them really useful? Like on the above, I don't want to have orders just to have orders, meanwhile it clutters things up and may confuse new players.

Of course, there will be new orders in 3rd Cycle that will be valuable. Diversion and Poison for agents. Stir Unrest for Political emissaries.
New spells, new artifacts, new Traits. Seven levels of regional reaction, some revamping of combat.

**Jumpingfist** · 01-07-2015, 10:34 PM

341-349 have no real value now that we can email

**Hawk_** · 01-07-2015, 10:45 PM

(01-07-2015, 10:34 PM)Jumpingfist Wrote: 341-349 have no real value now that we can email

Plague might be interesting if it targeted all non controlled Pop centers in a region. Then it could be useful in gaining regional control without having to cast a bunch of ward PC spells. The way it works currently I don't think players use it.