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**Eregnon** · 08-17-2022, 05:34 PM

In the new rules, Wall of Flame is supposed to do 25% damage to an attacking force. In a recent battle with the SA, where they went through the wall, their final casualties at the end were 20.97%, which I guess means my troops actually healed them instead of inflicting damage.

This leads me to only one conclusion. Wall of Flame does NO damage whatsoever to an attacker that goes through it.

**unclemike** · 08-17-2022, 07:50 PM

(08-17-2022, 05:34 PM)Eregnon Wrote: In the new rules, Wall of Flame is supposed to do 25% damage to an attacking force. In a recent battle with the SA, where they went through the wall, their final casualties at the end were 20.97%, which I guess means my troops actually healed them instead of inflicting damage.

This leads me to only one conclusion. Wall of Flame does NO damage whatsoever to an attacker that goes through it.

Your wall of flame did in fact, inflict the full 25% damage upon the 1SA (without any shield or antimagic effects to reduce the wall of flame damage). What you're not considering is the 1SA's rather high defensive value collectively as a group from their troops. That's the reason why the numbers don't match up with your wall's 25% damage being cut down by the 1SA's high defense value.

I could put in the code for spells to inflict raw damage upon opposing forces without considering the group's defensive value, but I would need Rick's approval on that. His design document only said to remove extra protections that are on top of a group's defensive value (like shield spell, antimagic effects from Orb of Antimagic, or kingdom traits that reduce magic damage).

**Lord Garth** · 08-17-2022, 10:15 PM

I think a better explanation of how the spell works would do.

So if I am following this correctly, if Group A is worth 120,000 and attacks Group B which defends and casts Wall of Flame, then Group A will take 30,000 Pts of damage (120,000 * .25) which will then be which will then be reduced by the Defensive Value of, lets say, 3. So final damage is (30,000 / 3) 10,000. Is this correct?

I think what's frustrating people is that they expect the full 25% and in the above case it's really just 1/12th.

Please correct me if my formula is wrong.