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301 - Forum Diplomacy Only Steel SVC
RD-RA
If you think that We will follow a predictable path, you know nothing. Of course, We already knew that because you chose to challenge Us over a region that you had no right for. For all your bold predictions of taking Jukunta, We note that your army has departed from its walls. As for Our region, it turned out to be bigger than usual, rich in towns and villages so it took Us a couple of turns longer to secure it. You are welcome to try and come take it from us - meanwhile, thanks for the mysterious Yoda, We know where all of your holdings are. You can run, you old Crone, but you cannot hide.
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DE

The Underworld seems to think they can threaten and cajole without any repercussions. I'm afraid that isn't the case. Since you like to speak in riddles let me give you one to figure out: I am displeased by what you have done.
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RD-WA
Greetings Red One. We are interested in setting up a relationship with you. Unless you object, We wish to declare you an ally so that We may send gold to you without any effort on your part. Specifically, we are looking for a ward spell for this turn, but we may have other needs going forward. We enjoy flying, burning and eating - magic is not so much fun for Us. We are mostly looking for defensive magic and things such as spells to improve Our influence - we are not asking for battle magic unless you are offering. We must warn you that helping Us, even in a defensive way, may upset the Old Crone of the South, but she has other things to worry about such as where she's going to be able to raise the gold to buy her anti-wrinkle cream.
If you are willing, We have the following questions:
Can you cast a ward for us this turn and if so, can you wait until next turn to be paid when you will not need to expend an order of your own?
Are you willing to sell us your town in Synisvania, should We wish it?
What sort of costs would you be charging for spells?
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UN-GN

Embarrassed, I am. Right, you are, on the spells. Wrong place, I was looking, another newbie mistake, I think. Our apologies you have, for missing it. The box, explore I said I would, east of the box. But confusion I understand, and hold it against you, I do not. But artifact sighting, did you take, three north, where cast spells you did? That one, in the box, definitely was. And confirm the prisoner trade, we do.

UN-DE

Personal, it is not. But if escalate you want, up to you, it is. One small village, a tiny thing it seems, for one so rich.

UN-BL

Flown over my towns or villages, have you yet? If so, the location of the town, can you provide, using a code?

UN-ALL

Fighting, I want not, but fighting, may come to me anyway. If so, high prices, we will pay, for just loanings, and not even sales, of Demon Daggers.
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DW-UN

Mysterious Yoda,

You have done right by me, and moreover as a new ruler, I have some interest in helping you. Perhaps if the Demon Princes were to know that your ample warnings were made as a way of walking in the footsteps of another [Thudargh in #195], who ended up being quite well-received, it might mollify him a bit.

Regardless, your two biggest benefactors right now seem to be the Elves and the Black Dragons, perhaps they could also help mediate this dispute.

Finally, I have a non-aggression pact with the Demon Princes through the end of the spring, but if things end up coming to blows between you -- and you survive that long -- perhaps we can have another discussion.

Best,
Grundun
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DE - UN

I find it amusing that you are accusing me of "escalating" when the basis of our relationship from the beginning is you threatening me and then releasing kingdom secrets via blackmail for a village. Let me make this clear to you- I will not be bowed by threats. It's your mistake to cross me and expect me to come to the table offering you a village. I warn you that if you release one more piece of information I deem damaging to my kingdom you will pay a much larger price. If you think you're the only one with information to share or use in this game then you are more naive than I had thought. 
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UN-DE

On escalation, a fair point. But to the business model, sticking I am. A new king, as DW points out, I am. In this for fun, and learning, we are. Take me out, you might, but for what, I wonder? A few towns, a few villages, Avalon before another for it contests you? And agents against you, in exchange for, all game long? Accounting and estimates, Yoda can do, and with one town, one village, agent fees, current influence, quick training, and bam, Fanatic 4's all day long. Bound to get lucky, some of them will. Demon Princes, the bee's knees, they seem. But precious, too. Either way, no problem. New or not, a big boy...or girl, gender of our race, unclear it is...Yoda is.

UN-BL

To you for help I ask, DW suggests. Not sure, what specifically, but ask I do. Smile

UN-EL

Also to you for help I ask. For town and village in Oakendell, I will have, protection, might I ask? Humbly and nicely? Smile
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EL - UN

My loyal subjects will defend your properties in Oakendell.

As for help, we have no enemies yet, so we are willing to aid a young king if you are attacked. To be clear, if the BL offers help (and he is closer), then we will not make it 3 kingdoms versus 1 on the Demons and will thus withdraw any offer of aid unless another kingdom then aids the Demons (though we will still protect your properties in Oakendell).

EL - DE

We actually think the UN business model is sound, and is founded in great and successful historical precedence. Having said that, it does reek of blackmail and threat and thus we understand if you take a strong position against such a model. That would be your choice and the UN will either back up his threats or not, though his previous actions suggest he is not a kingdom to be treated lightly. For a town or a village in a large region, you would really invite such repercussions? Your call.

EL - WI

We appreciate your honor and integrity thus far and my advisors ask me to once again entreat you to embrace the light.
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DE


Don't misunderstand me, partly trying to play in character and also not keen to give up my pop centers. I also don't want to have the enmity of the Underworld as I've played them and fear the agents. I can see how this kind of arrangement is pretty solid for this type of diplomacy game - with no back room deals able to be cut.  That being said, I'll think about turning over a village in return for the future protection.
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OOC: I'm personally loving the more bellicose tone of this game compared to #195, which had some initial saber rattling but didn't really translate into much actual conflict. And I think both Thudargh and SylvieRafa have done great jobs... it wouldn't really be the UN position without some threats, blackmail, and extortion. Smile

Oh, and here's public info post-T7:

Code:
Political Events and Status of the Realm:

     Entity               Report

     Enemy/Ally           The Ranger Queen has declared the Black Dragon King an ally!

     Enemy/Ally           The Ranger Queen has declared the Dwarven King a sworn enemy!

     Amberland            The Warlock kingdom has gained control of Amberland.

     Eastern Steppes      The Red Dragon kingdom has gained control of Eastern Steppes.

     Regional Summary:

                                     Controlling
            Region                   Kingdom

         Oakendell (1)               Elven
         Northern Mists (2)          Witchlord
         Talking Mountains (3)       Dwarven
         Torvale (4)                 NA
         Amberland (5)               Warlock
         Eastern Steppes (6)         Red Dragon
         Runnimede (7)               NA
         Arcania (8)                 Demon Princes
         Synisvania (9)              Ranger
         Southern Sands (10)         Black Dragon

     Activities of the High Council

     The Issue Decided By The High Council This Past Month Was:

     The Underworld Kingdom Put This Motion Before The Esteemed High Council:
     In Recognition Of His Magnanimous Policies And Peace-Seeking Intentions We Move That The
     Underworld Ruler Be Officially Commended (Influence Up 1) By This Body.


          The High Council Vote For This Issue Shall Be By Open Ballot.

              The High Council Voted As Follows:

                Demon Princes         Abstain  
                Dwarven               Yea      
                Elven                 Yea      
                Underworld            Yea      
                Witchlord             Abstain  

              The Motion Passed.


          The New Issue Before The Council:

     The Underworld Kingdom Put This Motion Before The Esteemed High Council:
     In Recognition Of His Magnanimous Policies And Peace-Seeking Intentions We Move That The
     Underworld Ruler Be Officially Commended (Influence Up 1) By This Body.

          The High Council Vote For This Issue Shall Be By Open Ballot.

     Status of Kingdom Relationships

        The following chart shows which kingdoms have declared allies and enemies. In addition, it
        shows which kingdoms have entered into marriages of state, a binding form of non-aggression
        which prevents hostile military and political actions toward the wedded kingdom. The chart
        also displays the natural enemies in the campaign. Natural enemies are enemies which will
        always remain enemies throughout the camppaign. A kingdom's influence will rise and fall
        proportionally to the failures and successes of its natural enemy. To see the declarations a
        kingdom has made, read across the row beginning with their abbreviation. To see the
        declarations made for or against a certain kingdom, read down from the column underneath their
        abbreviation, as follows:

             'A' - Marriage Status     ' ' - Neutrality        'e' - Declared Enemy
             'a' - Declared Ally                               'E' - Natural Enemy


                  AN  BL  DE  DW  EL  GN  RA  RD  UN  WA  WI
             AN  |   |   | E |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
             BL  |   |   |   |   |   |   | a | E | a |   |   |
             DE  | E |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
             DW  |   |   |   |   |   | E | e |   |   |   |   |
             EL  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
             GN  |   |   |   | E |   |   |   | a |   |   |   |
             RA  |   | a |   | e |   |   |   | e |   |   |   |
             RD  |   | E |   |   |   |   | e |   |   |   |   |
             UN  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
             WA  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
             WI  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
                  AN  BL  DE  DW  EL  GN  RA  RD  UN  WA  WI
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