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**Airborne Ranger** · 12-10-2014, 06:43 PM

(12-10-2014, 06:56 AM)Lord Thanatos Wrote:
(12-10-2014, 01:43 AM)Ry Vor Wrote: This isn't the first time this has come up.

We have a cohort of players who feel the game is all about winning: that even second place doesn't matter. It's nice that Alamaze can play like a strategy board game like that. In fact, Sid Meier (of Civilization fame, et al) called Alamaze "An electronic board game". So that's one level of Alamaze, and the easiest one to relate to as all of us grew up playing strategy board games.

But most players, surprise to some, aren't really concerned about winning, and in fact, most never will, and don't care. They are playing for entirely different reasons. I don't need to enumerate them here. I'd just say there are many ways to approach, and play, and enjoy Alamaze, and we want to make sure as many of those ways as possible are present in the game. I think that has a lot to do with why Alamaze is here almost 30 years after the design. You can count the games that can claim that on your fingers and toes.

And just to continue, while Classic will be frozen after these last changes are in the code so all the traditional Alamaze players will always have the game they know, the designer's intention is to go to a bit more character centric, developing many aspects of the kingdom, less character death, more role playing elements, more numerous and more interesting artifacts, more distinction in magic capabilities, and likely address more of the diplomatic status between kingdoms, and kingdoms with regions.

I wouldn't begrudge the Underworld his victory. Some of the players in this game play Warlords, and they know the Underworld is not often selected because it is a developing position. If the Underworld can't claim a victory in a 40 turn game, and some players claim they can never win but can come in 2nd, and they win, then something is wrong with the game?

Do you just cut and paste this response.

Every time I have mentioned artifact status points over the last six years or so I think you go back to the archives to find what you told me last time.

I love Alamaze and will be an Imperator so long as you are alive and allow me to play Alamaze.

I am certainly NOT diminishing the UN victory. We all knew the rules going in.

I was just sympathizing with the previous player who posted that artifact collection didn't quite seem like conquest to him. If the RA did the same thing as the UN then kudos for playing by the rules to achieve victory. I need not diminish my fellow players' accomplishments to point out that if artifacts had no status points the victory would go to the player owning the most territory for the longest period of time... Players would adjust their play style to however status points were calculated. Artifacts would be retrieved because they are helpful, not because they had status points. That is not the case presently. I think something should change. Rick disagrees - so it will never change!

Just for the record... I finally built ships [having given up my silent protest over this particular game change...] I still love Alamaze.

**kevindusi** · 12-10-2014, 06:54 PM

I prefer the quote "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser", Zim.

Which reminds me, we should play a Warlords game so you can be a good loser. Smile

Daredevil · 12-11-2014, 07:38 PM

As always, kudos to LD. Excellent job.
And kudos to Uncle Mike on the order tracker and the programming developments being tested in 300 for incorporation into improving the whole game.

Thanks to you both.

**Jumpingfist** · 12-11-2014, 10:17 PM

Did this remove game 144? I see no team victories for Cloud and I

**Lord Thanatos** · (This post was last modified: 12-11-2014, 11:18 PM by Lord Thanatos.)

(12-11-2014, 10:17 PM)Jumpingfist Wrote: Did this remove game 144? I see no team victories for Cloud and I

We are going to limit your victories to no more than one each week. You should take greater care to space out your victories so the administrators don't eliminate them from Valhalla. The fault is entirely yours!

[I am sure someone will address this . . . eventually.] Angry

**Frost Lord** · 12-12-2014, 03:31 PM

(12-11-2014, 10:17 PM)Jumpingfist Wrote: Did this remove game 144? I see no team victories for Cloud and I

JF,

I am reviewing the latest Valhalla PDF ("Valhalla - Kingdoms of Alamaze - 12102014(1842).pdf") and on page 10 it shows The Deliverer with 2 Team Victories and both Cloud and yourself with 1 Team Victory. Also, page 14 lists game 144 with the 3 of you on the podium for that game.

I am not sure what you are referring to here? Are you looking at the latest file?

Please let me know so I can correct it if there is a problem.

Thanks FL

**Jumpingfist** · 12-12-2014, 07:00 PM

(12-12-2014, 03:31 PM)Frost Lord Wrote:
(12-11-2014, 10:17 PM)Jumpingfist Wrote: Did this remove game 144? I see no team victories for Cloud and I

JF,

I am reviewing the latest Valhalla PDF ("Valhalla - Kingdoms of Alamaze - 12102014(1842).pdf") and on page 10 it shows The Deliverer with 2 Team Victories and both Cloud and yourself with 1 Team Victory. Also, page 14 lists game 144 with the 3 of you on the podium for that game.

I am not sure what you are referring to here? Are you looking at the latest file?

Please let me know so I can correct it if there is a problem.

Thanks FL

doh looking at wrong column. was looking at titan not team and thought it was team. File is updated correctly sorry.

titan wins still missing but that has not changed. games 119, 220 and 221 gotta get my wins.

**Frost Lord** · 12-13-2014, 11:36 AM

Game 119 was an Alamaze Classic game from last March. I assume you mean 219, 220 & 221...?

That being said, as for Titan games, I checked the Valhalla Data File that Lord Diamond downloaded from FTP and the last Titan game listed is game 218 from last February. I do not see any data for the 3 games you listed.

**kevindusi** · (This post was last modified: 12-13-2014, 02:52 PM by kevindusi.)

218 was the Titan Championship, won by The Deliverer, over DuPont, who is mysteriously listed as the "Titan Champion".

DuPont survived until turn 4.

**Frost Lord** · 12-13-2014, 03:09 PM

(12-13-2014, 02:51 PM)kevindusi Wrote: 218 was the Titan Championship, won by The Deliverer, over DuPont, who is mysteriously listed as the "Titan Champion".

DuPont survived until turn 4.

Game 218 is recorded in Valhalla on page 27 and shows The Deliverer as the winner.

DuPont has the Titan Champion title because he has the most wins (a total of 4) in all Titan contests (displayed on page 30).

If a specific game comes with a special honorific (like "2014 Titan Championship Game Winner" ...for example), Rick would need to let Lord Diamond know and it would be manually entered into Valhalla for the winner of that game.